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Mike from Rochester

April 2006 - Posts

  • Phil Vs. Oz--The drama unfolds

    The real drama unfolded yesterday between Phil Savage and Ozzie Newsome, when our guy, Phil, traded picks with Oz.  Phil passed on Ngata and Bunkley and took Wimbley.  Obviously what that said was Phil liked Wimbley better than both lineman.  Ozzie took the lineman, Ngata.  Obviously, what that said is Oz liked the lineman better the linebacker / pass rush guy.

    Make no mistake about this Browns fans,  this was a big decision made by both personnel chiefs.  Remember, we had needs in both areas in round one and Phil made his call.  He stuck his neck out.  In my mind this will be the pick that follows Phil around for years to come.  Should he have taken Ngata, should he have taken Bunkley?  Was Newsome right in taking Ngata?  Was Newsome right in passing on Bunkley?

    Phil and Oz, two guys who worked well together in Baltimore, and two guys who can still work well together while manning their posts in rival cities.  That is not a bad thing. 

    What is most important is how the players they selected will perform on the field.  It will be good drama to see if Phil was more right that Oz on this one.  Remember, in reality we needed both Ngata and Wimbley and Phil made his choice. 

    But as Phil said before the draft, we can't fill all  needs on draft day.  Let's hope he filled the biggest one.

    Final Note:  Domata Peko, NT, from Michigan State, would also be a great pick today.  He is a space eater who can stuff the run...and he has great hair.  You win with big people.

  • Wimbley V. Carpenter--The Sequel

    The draft finally did come afterall.  It seemed like we all waited forever for it to arrive.  It was exciting, it was fun.  I found myself on two phones at once--the cell and the land line discussing our picks.

     

    Now day one is over and I just want to pass along a few quick thoughts.  You may recall my recent blog titled Wimbley Vs. Carpenter.  I find it so ironic that we took Wimbley, passed on Ngata and Bunkley; and Carpenter goes at 18 to Dallas in a trade up scenario.

     

    Wimbley and Carpenter both received big-time kudos from all the various TV draft experts.  It remains to be seen who will become the better pro.  Again, Carpenter played the LB position in college; the Browns project Wimbley to be the weak side LB.  Frankly, with   Ngata (who was ripped by Mark Schlereth on ESPN) and Bunkley available, I would have preferred either lineman to a linebacker at that point.  As I read in an article this morning, the Browns need to be concerned about stopping the run first, before they need to worry about getting to the passer.  How many times last year did the Browns get teams in passing situations by holding down the running game?  I will answer that.  Not often.  Ted Washington, please stay healthy and be productive.

    Jackson is a player at ILB.  I like the pick, but we need to keep blockers off of him and that takes solid space eaters.  Didn't Ray Lewis say something about that this week?  I was begging for a DL in the third round.  None would come.  We took Travis Wilson, a wideout.  I like him too, and I had the Browns possibly taking him in round 4.  I would not have taken him in round 3.  Frankly, I just as soon  see the Browns give Frisman Jackson and Brandon Rideau a shot at wide receiver until # 17 gets back. 

    We need to address the lines--both sides--on day 2.  We did not address taking a top interior offensive lineman to groom for the future--something Savage said he wanted to do. In fact we got a bit weaker there by trading Faine.

    Everyone says you can't evaluate a draft until a few years down the road.  I certainly will not offer any final opinions or cutting criticisms--- at least until day 2 is over! 

    But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, as James Brown (the soul singer would shriek), Phil, PLEASE figure out a way to draft Max Jean-Gilles or Jonathan Scott on the OL, and at least one of the following on the DL, Barry Cofield, Jesse Mahelona or Babatunde Oshinowo.

    AND NO MORE SMALLISH DBs!!!

    If you must draft a safety, draft Darnell Bing.  Go Browns!  My vision is blurry now, I wonder why.

     

     

     

     

  • Wimbley Vs. Carpenter at 12

    I was asked an interesting question last Tuesday while I was a guest on the Orange and Brown Report.  The question dealt with which player amongst a fine pool of potential draft picks in round one had the highest floor and ceiling for the Browns.  Of particular interest to me, and likely the Browns Braintrust,  is who is the better player for Romeo Crennel's defense between Kamerion Wimbley and Bobby Carpenter.

     

    The common belief amongst draft pundits and various scouting organizations, is that the 12th pick in the first round is too high for Bobby Carpenter, but not so for Wimbley.

     

    I have to ask the question why?  Let's do the math.  First off, the highest floor refers to which player is the safer pick, or more certain to do well for the team that selects him.  The higher ceiling refers to which player has the higher long -term potential.

     

    Both Wimbley and Carpenter have the necessary physical tools to play linebacker in the NFL.  KW is 6ft, 3in and 250+ lbs, BC measureables are almost the same, though KW can probably fill out more as the years go by.  But for the LB position Carpenter's dimensions are excellent. And for arguments sake, we are comparing these two players as linebackers, not defense end (Wimbley) to LB (Carpenter).  Both players can run, both pass the all important character test.  So these areas are a wash between the two players.

     

    But here lies the biggest difference between the two players, and why I believe Carpenter is worth the 12th pick in the draft, even moreso than Wimbley.  In a nutshell, the Browns need a LB that can stuff the run and put pressure on the QB.  BC can project inside with Andra Davis.  BC can move outside and play the rush LB role, or play with his hand down as a fourth lineman in certain situations.  Look at film, he's done it.  You are getting alot of versatility with BC and again, he has done it, thus the higher floor.

     

    Wimbley, an excellent talent, is a hustler, with a very high motor, but he  started just one year at the defensive end position for Florida State.  To me he is a bit riskier to project as a success as a top-flight rush LB, similar to Willie McGinest.  I do not think Wimbley could beef up to the point of ever being a true DE in a 3-4 defense, hence his versatility factor is not quite as high as Carpenter's.  We must keep in mind, versatility is all important to the Browns' defensive system.

     

    On the potential front, both players can become big time NFL studs.  Perhaps Wimbley's overall athleticism could give him a slight edge in the "ceiling" catagory when comparing him to BC, but this edge is not enough to discout Carpenter as a legitimate candidate for the 12th pick in the draft.

     

    So I ask the question, why not Carpenter at 12?

     

    Is BC the only player the Browns should consider at the 12th spot?  Absolutely not, Ngata, Bunkley, Huff and yes even Wimbley, should be given a hard look.  Out of this pool will come the Browns first choice in '06.  And Oh yea, don't forget to add Carpenter to the mix, he's got the highest floor and a pretty good ceiling too! 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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