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Mike from Rochester

February 2007 - Posts

  • Don't Give Up on Frye

    Pretty much most Browns fans and a majority of the media (both national and Cleveland area) believe Charlie Frye isn’t the quarterback for the Browns.  The Browns brass is also very lukewarm concerning Charlie’s ability to be the man for the Browns.

    Don’t count me among them.  Do I think Charlie has proven he is the guy—no way, but I am convinced now is not the time to give up on him.  His year to prove he can be player is coming this fall. This will be his third year.  He has some much needed experience behind him.  He needs a fair look.  Our line was miserable last year, our running game non existent.  He looked very good against the Ravens in Cleveland.  It wasn’t his fault our pass protection scheme was all wrong on that slant pattern to Edwards.  Go look at the tape.  He did well against the Chiefs, when he finally had a running game.

    Another thing, we played against some of the best defenses in the league last season.  Everyone up my way was talking about the progress Bills QB JP Losman was making.  Well he was, until he played a defense like the Ravens. 

    It is not that I think Charlie is definitely the guy; it is just the wrong time to write him off.  Phil Savage says a lot of things, playing both sides of the fence on key issues concerning the team.

    This is understandable given it is draft time and Brady Quinn may be on the horizon.  When Savage says Frye (or possibly Anderson for that matter) may be capable of doing the job with the right support system, he may indeed be correct and telling the truth.  

    There is pressure for the Browns to win now—at least for Crennel if not Savage.  A rookie QB won’t provide that, nor will any of the low ranking free agents out there.  I say try to pick up Troy Smith, perhaps in the third round.  I think he can play.  Develop him.  Let Frye be the veteran in ’07 and build a real team around him and whoever eventually takes the reigns at QB.

    In terms of Smith, I am concerned he will be picked right in front of us by Tamba Bay with the last pick in the second round.  Sobo had that in his mock draft a few weeks back and it could happen.  I don't want Smith to show too well right now, that is better for us.  This way he will be there in the third round.

    On thing I would like to express, I am not an Ohio State fan, though I like their program, I actually am a big Notre Dame fame.  I like Quinn alot, but I am not 100% sold on him.  It is that accuracy thing.  I will never forget the SC game at ND when he was a junior.  All he had to do was hit his back out of the backfield on third down to run the clock out and he missed him.  If he makes that throw the back walks in and SC's late Leinert score is meaningless.

    At his time we really don’t know who to draft with our first round pick until the first wave of free agency ends.  Let’s see how that plays out before we lock into a certain player.  Right now, my first choice would be Joe Thomas, my second choice would be to trade down and my third choice would be AP.

    If ever there was an opportunity to trade down it is this year.  Most observers believe Tampa Bay covets Calvin Johnson.  Good.  Let’s move down if Thomas isn’t there to about 7, 8 or nine. The Vikings would love Johnson and the Dolphins allegedly want Quinn.

    But first let’s see how things shake out with the early signings of free agency.

    Are you going to tell me, if the Browns somehow got lucky and signed BOTH, YES I MEAN BOTH, Steinbach and Diehlman and drafted Thomas, Charlie wouldn’t be able to get the job done?  Think about it.  It is possible. Sign both guards, draft Thomas, pick up Michael Bush in round 2, and now you have something.  Maybe Steinbach and Diehlman are a bit of a dream, but Savage did say he could very well sign two offensive linemen.

    Go for it Browns and don’t right Charlie off yet.  With experience under his belt he may yet prove to be the guy.

    Very few quarterbacks ever looked good in their first and second seasons regardless of what type of mechanics they had, good or bad.  If Charley bombs, and the rest of the offense is in place, we can pick up a veteran in ’08 or perhaps Smith might be ready to take over.  At the very least Smith can be the backup in ’08.  That is assuming Smith won’t go to Tampa at 64.

    I will have more to offer in my next entry regarding who I think we should look at in a trade down scenario.

  • A CASE FOR COLLINS

    Like all Browns fans everywhere I rejoiced over the fact that Gene Hickerson finally made it to the Hall of Fame in Canton.  Any fan of football who saw Gene play knew that the selection to Canton was long, long overdue.  As many writers have pointed out lately, it is a shame it did not occur much earlier.  Frankly, my heart did not bleed that Michael Irvine had to wait "three long arduous" years to be selected for a trip to Canton.  Three years?  Compared to Gene?  You have to be kidding me.  At the same time, I was heartened by the fact that two other "old timers" or senior players, Roger Wehrli and Charlie Sanders were also tapped for the hall.  It was good to see that the media of today is starting to realize that football actually existed before the likes of Troy Aikman, Steve Young and Howie Long.
     
    Perhaps now there is a chance that other former Cleveland Browns could get the call to the hall.   Players who come to mind include Jerry Sherk and Clay Mathews.  A compelling argument can be made for both those defensive stalwarts.  However, there is one name that never seems to get any mention whatsoever, and yet it is so obvious that he belongs with the elite of his position.  And that player is Gary Collins.
     
    Consider the following comparison:
     
    For years Browns fans had to endure former media darling Lynn Swann.  Boy, how the media gushed over him.  Do you recall?  Why he was the MVP of the Super Bowl.  He made 336 catches for 5,462 yards and 51 touchdowns over a 9-year career.  He was selected to the pro bowl three times, averaged 16 yards per catch and was a top punt returner early in his career.  He was known as a clutch performer who made acrobatic catches.
     
    Hmm..Let's look at Collins.  He was MVP of the 1964 NFL Championship game (the then super bowl--and don't tell me the AFL was on par back then, it wasn't).  Over his ten-year career he had 331 catches for 5,299 yards and 70 touchdowns--that's right 70!!!  And he did that in an era that wasn't pass happy with relaxed rules to protect the wideouts.  He played in two pro bowls and was a top special teams performer as a punter from 1962-1967 with a 41.1 yard average.  When he was back in punt formation he was known to take off and run for key first downs, if I recall correctly he did that twice in the same game.  As for being a clutch performer, well, his nickname was Mr. Clutch.  Once Gary's hands were on the ball it was a catch.  It was that simple.  You could not jar the ball loose from him--it was impossible.  He went over the middle constantly, his favorite pass route was the post pattern.  If you protected against that route, he faked it and went to the corner.   Just ask Herb Adderly of Green Bay (see '65 title game).  He went against Wehrli, had fierce battles with Hall of Famer Larry Wilson and Pat Fischer etc. etc...Even by today's standards, he would still be a big receiver at 6'4", 215lbs.
     
    The bottom line is if you look at statistics he deserves to be in the hall.  If you look at his performance when it mattered most he deserves to be there.  If you compare him to other receivers in the hall he deserves to be there.  When you look at the defensive backs he went up against he deserves to be there.  When you look at the success of his team, he deserves to there.
     
    Collins' partner, Paul Warfield is in the hall, Swann's Stallworth is in the hall.  Put # 86 in. 
     
    I for one am sick and tired of "media darlings"  and players turned lousy broadcasters receiving recognition, when others who are just as deserving are being ignored.  Let's make a Case for Collins and get him in the hall before it is too late for him and us to enjoy.
     
    MikeFromRochester 
     
     
     
     
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